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Definitely agreed. It sold for a good price. I was watching it but considering I just paid a Turner piece off I had to stay away 
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thetrueaspen wrote:
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Definitely agreed. It sold for a good price. I was watching it but considering I just paid a Turner piece off I had to stay away |
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yah i hear ya. i just paid all my OA off and am saving up for the next con season plus we are starting to remodel the house so OA funds will be tight 
is jan here yet? looking forward to the Amazing Arizona Comic Con.
anyhow. back on topic. i have seen these Production Art Pages pop up on eBay lately. i think they are pretty cool. what does everyone else think?
Wolverine/Witchblade Cover (Production Art Page)
Witchblade 16 page 26 (Production Art Page)
Edited by mystique on 28 December 2010 at 7:10am
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Me I the find really beautiful and this is really not poorly thank you to you Mari to have posted them.
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I like them. I've considered buying some to frame up. I think they'd look nice on my wall
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Don't know what those things are, but they have nothing to do with the actual production of the books.
Back in the day we had film proofs, but they don't look like the items pictured and we would never have one made for a cover without a logo. Nor are they guides as any physical guides were made with traditional art materials prior to anything being colored in the computer.
It's far more likely someone's scanning in pages or printing up low-res jpegs.
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P wrote:
Don't know what those things are, but they have nothing to do with the actual production of the books.
Back in the day we had film proofs, but they don't look like the items pictured and we would never have one made for a cover without a logo. Nor are they guides as any physical guides were made with traditional art materials prior to anything being colored in the computer.
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Hmm very interesting, thanks for the info, Peter.
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thetrueaspen wrote:
P wrote:
Don't know what those things are, but they have nothing to do with the actual production of the books.
Back in the day we had film proofs, but they don't look like the items pictured and we would never have one made for a cover without a logo. Nor are they guides as any physical guides were made with traditional art materials prior to anything being colored in the computer.
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Hmm very interesting, thanks for the info, Peter.
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Yes, indeed.
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Peter, dido what Tatiana and Ghost9 said.
You saved me some cash! I was seriously considering going after one to frame on my OA gallery wall.
Edited by mystique on 29 December 2010 at 7:16am
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From the pictures displayed, they are no where near the quality of a "proof". Proofs back then were made on clear plastic film.
Digital files were run out into negatives for the Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Black colors. The negatives were 'printed' or exposed into positives on clear film —in the same fashion slides are made— so the colored layers could be proofed as they would appear printed on white paper later. The negative masters were used to etch the metal printing plates, usually on a large drum. In the majority of cases, four interior pages were set up on one sheet based on how the plates had to be run. The pages would not be in sequence due to how the pages were faced, printed and folded to be cut after coming out on press. These oversized sheet would contain ad pages as well as comic story pages and one sheet would be 16"x24" or so in full dimension. Sub dividing these pages would be very difficult as pages facing each other in the fold would be butted up to each other and not white bordered on all four sides as shown. In later years just before the shift to full digital presses, proofs were done via combined printouts onto one sheet but not at the time of Witchblade/Wolverine or Witchblade #2 (which is the one I think pictured here)
In any case, they would be surrounded by registration marks (like little black targets), crop marks and color bars (to assure the proper plates were proofed in proper order) As well as page numerals and project titles and codes. NOT just "CMYK" in block font.
The quality of these proofs were at book level or higher. Clearly not what is pictured in these 'product' shots. The line quality sucks. These items smack of being scanned from printed materials and filtered to smooth out the halftones and covered up in PhotoShop. The WB/Wolv image is probably from the Wizard Magazine poster book and the Wizard logo in the upper corner has been re-touched out.
Any actual official proofs would have halftones as they were made to show what the final printed product would look like. That's why they're called "proofs".
Lastly. Usually only one proof would be made. To be checked by me or maybe David Wohl, the editor in Chief, and sent with the film negatives to the printer. Who would then store them incase of possible reprints. When everything went digital or after a certain amount of time in limbo storage these negatives would be returned. Sometimes with the proof and sometimes not. As they were bulky and took up a lot of space most if not all were destroyed. It wasn't necessary to keep them as the source files were backed up on archive media which was much easier to store, CDs or DVDs or tape drives. In any case, the presses that used the type of film and plates we made back then are no longer running if they even exist. These things were all tossed years ago. I mean YEARS AGO. Any one artist or scrap hunter wanting to save these things needed a lot of space and certainly didn't have whole issues. A book worth of press ready film weighed nearly 20 pounds.
Contact JD Smith. See if he has any old files of this stuff lying around. Look at even tiny jpgs of his files next to this stuff and you may throw up in your mouth a little at the difference in quality. Hell, look at the actual book. Or the OA on CAF. You can't even read the signatures clearly on these and it doesn't have to do with the eBay quality jpgs.
If I can find some old film proofs at home. I have some somewhere from ads or design stuff. I'll scan them and post them so you can see what they look like.
I'm way to busy to harrass this seller. Just pass the word around the collecting community that these are bunk. They are scanned printouts you could make at home with your own printer and scanner, a copy of the book and some cheap off the shelf photo-corrective software.
For those of you who post on the Top Cow boards, feel free to re-post this to warn collectors there too.
Edited by P on 29 December 2010 at 11:50am
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I like that it says "CYMK" instead of "CMYK"...I mean really?
With all the printer marks this is what a proof looks like. I don't think it's any different for a comic page, is it Peter?
Edited by Barak85 on 29 December 2010 at 11:58am
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